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Dutch bar owners want smoking ban lifted

The Virginia Beach News.Net
Thursday 20th November, 2008

Cafe and bar owners in the Dutch town of Tilburg have announced plans to identify smoking inspectors on the Internet.

The owners say they will photograph the inspectors and make the images available to other cafe owners.

The Tilburg bar and cafe owners are members of an action group that is protesting against the smoking ban, which was introduced on1st July 2008.

Around 1400 owners of small bars or cafes from 32 towns and cities have joined the group over the last few months.

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smiley
11-20-08, 05:33 AM

Dutch bar owners want smoking ban lifted

Big respect to the Dutch, atleast they got the gutts to stand up for freedom of choice and not be dictated to like the gullible weaklins in other countries

Carlos Rossi
11-20-08, 07:29 PM

Re: I worked...........

Poor you health concern. Shouldnt have breathed all that diesel!!

Carlos Rossi
11-20-08, 07:31 PM

Dutch should be inspiration to others

BTW message to the Greeks who will be facing this junk piece of legislation in a couple of years. Take example of the Dutch and ignore the junk-science hatred based smoking bans!!

paganlass
11-20-08, 05:58 PM

I worked as a barmaid for 30 years

Also have smoked for 45 years. Why am I not ill ?
Parents both smoked. Why am I not ill.
I challenge any of you 60 year old health freaks to a contest.
Whatever you like running/climbing/swimming and diving
I would beat you all easy as I am extremely FIT
So why ain’t I dead

paganlass
11-20-08, 05:59 PM

I worked as a barmaid for 30 years

Also have smoked for 45 years. Why am I not ill ?
Parents both smoked. Why am I not ill.
I challenge any of you 60 year old health freaks to a contest.
Whatever you like running/climbing/swimming and diving
I would beat you all easy as I am extremely FIT
So why ain’t I dead

paganlass
11-20-08, 06:00 PM

Barmaid 30 years plus

Also have smoked for 45 years. Why am I not ill ?
Parents both smoked. Why am I not ill.
I challenge any of you 60 year old health freaks to a contest.
Whatever you like running/climbing/swimming and diving
I would beat you all easy as I am extremely FIT
So why ain’t I dead

paganlass
11-20-08, 06:01 PM

Barmaid 30 years plus

Also have smoked for 45 years. Why am I not ill ?
Parents both smoked. Why am I not ill.
I challenge any of you 60 year old health freaks to a contest.
Whatever you like running/climbing/swimming and diving
I would beat you all easy as I am extremely FIT
So why ain’t I dead

Michael J. McFadden
11-20-08, 06:40 PM

The Real Root of Power....

The Dutch bar and cafe owners are providing an important lesson for such owners everywhere. When faced with an inherently ridiculous and unjust law the proper response is to ignore it. When people join together and stand up to unjust authority that authority crumples.

The government cannot run all the cafes in Holland, only their owners can. And the government cannot afford to close them all either. The real power lies with the people, not with the government.

Michael J. McFadden
Author of “Dissecting Antismokers' Brains”


mandyv
11-20-08, 07:04 PM

Good- Better than putting people on the dole

Well done to the Dutch people, it beats being forced onto the dole, like they are being here!
This law is based on lies and propaganda, as such it is a “bad” law.

8th August 2006 the HSE in the document OC 255/15 article9 state
for some strange reason hmm it has been changed to OC 255/16 Paragraph 14
â HSE cannot produce epidemiological evidence to link levels of exposure to second hand smoke to the raised risk of contacting specific diseasesâ.

Smoke-haters were never banned from investing their own money into smoke-free venues, were they?

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/
Air quality testing by Johns Hopkins University, the American Cancer Society, a Minnesota Environmental Health Department, and various researchers whose testing and report was peer reviewed and published in the esteemed British Medical Journal......prove that secondhand smoke is 2.6 - 25,000 times SAFER than occupational (OSHA) workplace regulations:

http://www.antiprohibition.org/ticap_pages.php?q=6
1st World Conference Against Prohibition: “Smoking Bans and Lies”
Brussels, at the European Parliament Building, 27/28 January, 2009

freedom2choose.info for smokers and non-smokers alike, who think this ban is wrong, please join us and the forums

paganlass
11-20-08, 05:57 PM

I worked as a barmaid for 30 years

Also have smoked for 45 years. Why am I not ill ?
Parents both smoked. Why am I not ill.
I challenge any of you 60 year old health freaks to a contest.
Whatever you like running/climbing/swimming and diving
I would beat you all easy as I am extremely FIT
So why ain’t I dead

Political Insider
11-20-08, 08:54 AM

Dutch bar owners want smoking ban lifted.

The Anti-Smoking crusade is now beginning to crumble with opposition to smoking bans worldwide.Even the politicians are having doubts about bans and reforms are on the cards.

Englishcharlie
11-20-08, 09:19 AM

Dutch bar owners want smoking ban lifted

Providing publicans have the correct signage, remove ashtrays and advise punters that smoking inside is illegal, he has done his duty and should not be prosecuted. Only the smoker.

Englishcharlie
11-20-08, 01:00 PM

Dutch bar owners want smoking ban lifted

heath concern. What comic have you been reading? Even ASH don’t say 10 years and they say 75% of lung cancer is not smoking related.
Smokers are now smoking at home and the milions of non-smokers, who were going to fill the pubs aern’t turning up. That is why pubs and clubs are closing.

Garry Johnson (spykerke)
11-20-08, 11:00 PM

Check this out !

We do need some help from abroad !http://kleinehoreca.info , Garry Johnson from RAMRADIO.ORG !

Astrid
11-21-08, 09:03 AM

Smokingban in Holland

I am one of those affected pubowners in Holland.
We all know that smoking is not good for your health but if you have the choice to visit a smoking or non smoking pub, that’s YOUR choice. Walking on the street and inhaling lots of other damaging goods, you DON’T have a choice !
What we do in our freetime is OURS ! People stay at home and the pubs are running empty, thousands will go bust, thanks to this 'healthy law'.
Come and join us.

smoking DUTCH barowner
11-21-08, 10:44 AM

THEY KILL US!!!!

They kill us.....fuck the smoking ban!!!!

englishcharlie
11-21-08, 12:56 PM

I worked as a bartender for years

Get a decent doctor, who asks you questions, before making stupid comments.

rodrigo
11-21-08, 04:37 PM

freedom

freedom thats what we are fighting for

rodrigo
11-21-08, 04:38 PM

freedom

freedom thats what we are fighting for

Michael J. McFadden
11-21-08, 06:47 PM

The REAL roots of power...

The Dutch bar and cafe owners are providing an important lesson for such owners everywhere. When faced with an inherently ridiculous and unjust law the proper response is to ignore it. When people join together and stand up to unjust authority that authority crumples.

The government cannot run all the cafes in Holland, only their owners can. And the government cannot afford to close them all either. The real power lies with the people, not with the government.

Michael J. McFadden
Author of “Dissecting Antismokers' Brains”

Michael J. McFadden
11-21-08, 06:48 PM

The REAL roots of power...

The Dutch bar and cafe owners are providing an important lesson for such owners everywhere. When faced with an inherently ridiculous and unjust law the proper response is to ignore it. When people join together and stand up to unjust authority that authority crumples.

The government cannot run all the cafes in Holland, only their owners can. And the government cannot afford to close them all either. The real power lies with the people, not with the government.

Michael J. McFadden
Author of “Dissecting Antismokers' Brains”

dick, dutch
11-23-08, 07:13 PM

Quote:
Never smoked a day in my life. My doctor told me I should quit smoking! Donât tell me second hand smoke is not damaging!



who said its coming from second hand smoking?
what do you think you get from cars, factory’s, food??

alot of scholar said second hand smoking don’t exist, others say it exist, we will never know the truth about that, what we do know is that whats coming from exhaust pipes from cars and factory’s is very bad for your health.

don’t blame the smokers!!!

dick, dutch
11-23-08, 07:14 PM

Quote:
Never smoked a day in my life. My doctor told me I should quit smoking! Donât tell me second hand smoke is not damaging!



who said its coming from second hand smoking?
what do you think you get from cars, factory’s, food??

alot of scholar said second hand smoking don’t exist, others say it exist, we will never know the truth about that, what we do know is that whats coming from exhaust pipes from cars and factory’s is very bad for your health.

don’t blame the smokers!!!

dick, dutch
11-23-08, 07:15 PM

Quote:
Never smoked a day in my life. My doctor told me I should quit smoking! Donât tell me second hand smoke is not damaging!



who said its coming from second hand smoking?
what do you think you get from cars, factory’s, food??

alot of scholar said second hand smoking don’t exist, others say it exist, we will never know the truth about that, what we do know is that whats coming from exhaust pipes from cars and factory’s is very bad for your health.

don’t blame the smokers!!!

freedom fighter
12-29-08, 08:33 AM

Dutch bar owners want smoking ban lifted

THE 1ST WORLD CONFERENCE AGAINST PROHIBITION

“SMOKING BANS AND LIES”

IN THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT BUILDING 27/28 JAN 2009

http://www.antiprohibition.org/ticap_pages.php?q=6

freedom fighter
12-29-08, 08:34 AM

THE 1ST WORLD CONFERENCE AGAINST PROHIBITION

“SMOKING BANS AND LIES”

IN THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT BUILDING 27/28 JAN 2009

http://www.antiprohibition.org/ticap_pages.php?q=6

health concern person
11-20-08, 11:44 AM

Dutch bar owners want smoking ban lifted!

Tell the smokers to smoke in their own house, come to the bar to drink only.It’s not fair that they endanger the public with second hand smoking.
Message to the smokers...smoke can take 10 years away of your life, shortens life span, leads to poorer quality of life!
Wait until you suffer from lung cancer and you’ll be begging to the Doctor to give you a chance to live longer..but then it’s too late already! Think about it!!!

Anonymous
11-20-08, 04:34 PM

I worked as a bartender for years

Englishcharlie;114918:
heath concern. What comic have you been reading? Even ASH don’t say 10 years and they say 75% of lung cancer is not smoking related.
Smokers are now smoking at home and the milions of non-smokers, who were going to fill the pubs aern’t turning up. That is why pubs and clubs are closing.



Never smoked a day in my life.
My doctor told me I should quit smoking!
Don’t tell me second hand smoke is not damaging!


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